And this did not make any sense. I mean, we're GE, we bring good things to life. How could it be that these customers had basically out-innovated us? Now, of course the fit and finish wasn't so great, wasn't all put together well. It was sort of hanging together by duct tape and glue, but all the major engineering problems that we had said that we were going to solve, they had already done. And when I spent time with them and I tried to understand what they had done — they had basically worked with other users around the world. This is in the mid-'90s, so early days of the Internet, and they had basically shared their knowledge and come together to solve these problems.